Bonadies.10.12.09

NOTES 10/12/09=The Iliad We’re going to learn how to use MLA.

Teachers that are hard graders:: Liebler=Shakespeare (she’s awesome though) Fonseca Elbert Whitney  Anyway, **The Iliad ** FYI, for today we had to read 6,9,16,18

Between 2-5= So the Trojans are getting wrecked, even though Achilles isn’t even fighting with the Greeks. So Trojan king Hector asks the people of Troy to pray to the gods.

Chapter 6: We meet Hector  **//What’s Paris doing?//** -hiding. With Helen. Just kind of hanging out. -Hector is pissed off at Paris for not fighting. Um hello it’s all his fault so maybe you should help out a little. We’re fighting your battle for you!
 * -Paris is allowing all of Troy to fight for him**

//**What’s Hector like?**// -self-conscious= doesn’t have much of a backbone, conscious of what the people are saying about him, thinks people think he’s cowardly. Different kind of hero in that sense. -physical appearance= homeric epithet: a phrase that keeps being repeated throughout the text i.e. the tagline. The shining golden helmet of Hector, touched by god, the golden boy! -marriage is ideal for Homer’s society -the ultimate dad -loving relationship with his wife -family man -not like rageful Achilles


 * Homer wants us to decide which of the two heroes we prefer**

-bad mouths Menelaus AND Paris -Paris has no “good sense” for marrying her (VI, 370) -He made a big mistake by picking me -calls herself a bitch. -the Greek culture gave women (especially MOMS) a higher standing than other cultures. -I wish I was dead because I’ve caused so much trouble -BUT the gods let it happen!! Pushing the blame away. -Wouldn’t you have left Menelaus too? He’s gross -Knows that she has ruined Paris and Hector -Knows that she will be talked about forever, and feels bad about it
 * //Helen//**

Humans are messed up and cause a lot of unnecessary tumult. But then the gods do too! Contrapposto= Gods step down from their godly status, and then some men are raised to a godly status -The gods directly affect human lives and change the course of action. -The gods have agendas Role of women:: the female gods are generally the most interactive  **//Achilles and Patrocles= BFFS//** -how did Patrocles die: wearing the armor of Achilles, mistaken identity -Not pretty deaths= fighting over the bodies of the heroes -** improper funeral proceedings **=rituals are important, foreshadowing -very very gruesome death scenes (part of Homer’s agenda= does not want to glorify war) [examples: XVI 535, 770]   //**Achilles returns!**// -comes back into the picture to avenge Patrocles -you can’t kill by bff and get away with it -fated to die -dénouement= it’s all downhill from here  <span style="font-family: Tahoma,Geneva,sans-serif;">**<span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style","serif"; font-size: 14pt;">ETC ****<span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">: good insights from the class **<span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">Kyle: Enkidu=Hector Gilgamesh= Paris -I do what I want.
 * //This is kind of soap opera-ish.//**
 * -nothing good is going to happen from now on**

Jimmy: Disagrees with Kyle Gilgamesh=Achilles (journey) Enkidu=Patrocles Paris is a flat character

Melanie: Hector is trying to overcompensate for Paris’s laziness (Like Okonkwo in Things Fall Apart)

Megan: Paris is a humongous bitch